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In two vague bills introduced both in the House and Senate of the US Congress, a vast reorganization of America’s agriculture system aimed at tracking and regulating foods for public safety could endanger organic farms and gardens.
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Thu, March 19, 2009 - 10:17 AM
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Thu, March 19, 2009 - 10:21 AMI read the bills. The senate version twice. I am a long time organic gardener/farmer. I did market gardening for many years and now barter that service for my rent and sell a little.
I like this bill. The campaign against it is, pretty much, total lies. They are being spread by supporters of organic gardening and farming who are tricked into writing their representatives on the part of parties who have only their own self interests in mind. That is what i think.
I have spent a number of hours looking into this. Perhaps a whole day's worth by now, trying to counter this disinformation in a number of tribes.
There are good discussions of this on the grow organic tribe and others. -
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Wed, March 25, 2009 - 10:00 AMDeeper please will, there is a LOt of opposition. the prominant part now is clearly connecting the chief sponsor Rosa something from connecticut, who is married to the head political strategist for monsanto... sounds rather damning. mandating certain pesticides... criminalizing heritage seeds... are these lies? Not really in the bills?
Whats the trick? If I'm duped, I'd love to know how. I've gotten this from four different sources now... all who i usually trust. and nothing negative till this post you've made... -
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Wed, March 25, 2009 - 2:27 PMHave you read it yourcellf? This is not negative on my part. I'm shining the best light i got on it. I really studied it and i find nothing in there that relates to organic agriculture. Do you? If so what?
But deeper i will go ( this second tribe today for this) so i will take the unusual for me liberty of copying that reply which is already the third time i've written essentially the same info up.
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Oh yeah. I grew right fond of the food safety modernization act of 2008 by the time i finished my second reading. Quite a piece of work. Here is the opening statement:
"To establish the Food Safety Administration within the Department of Health and Human Services to protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional contamination, and for other purposes."
It is aimed at the kind of slack assed under regulation that has led to salmonella and e coli outbreaks becoming common.
Mainly, i splits the FDA into a food part, called the Food Safety Administration, FSA, and a drug part called the Federal Drug and Device Administration which can still thankfully be referred to as the FDA.
The bill is concerned with the agency architecture requisite to such a new arrangement, and with defining categories such as meat packing plant, dairy plant, vegetale cannery, etc etc so they get regulated with schedules appropriate to their risk of contamination, meat more than dairy, dairy more than produce, just as one would figure.
I particularly like the strong whistleblower protection, and hope that this becomes a standard.
The obamas just planted a big organic garden, the organic lobby is powerful and does not oppose this to my knowledge.......anybody?......
The thought that organic gardening is going to be outlawed i think highly unlikely very on account of these and other very good reasons.
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Wed, March 25, 2009 - 2:41 PMAs near as i can figure, this campaign against this legislation was started by some parties who are fairly good sized organic meat packing company or companies , who do not want to be subjected to the same standards of inspection as other meat packers. This makes me wonder why not.
What is not outright lies is gross misrepresentation, but this is being replicated like crazy in the blogosphere and on forums like this, by well meaning, but i think misinformed people who are afraid that organic agriculture is going to be outlawed.
I think the underlying problem is a fear of the complexity of modern society. I read the bill and see nothing at all to fear, and instead i see a lot of changes that i think are good steps in the right direction.
I do not like monsanto!!!!!! But this is not the place to bust down on them as they have nothing at all to do with it. The bill is about the regulation and inspection of american food factories. I want to grow towards an entierly different system, where people grow their own food more and eat better and dance and sing and i have worked towards that, or at least stumbled in that direction, for a very long time.
But the current system is a squalid mess. It needs regulating and this is a pretty damn good attempt at it in my estimation.
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 10:36 PMThese bills...sorry to say, don't mean poop! These bills won't endanger organic farms and gardens, people will if they take this crap seriously. Just my opinion. Even if the bill is passed, which it mostly likely will, it won't mean that organic farmers can't protect themselves or have their hands tied. Just means that farmer need to be one step a head and smarter then the politicians. Can that be possible? Probably not, if your American. But, then again, there are many non-American Farmers that grow Organic in America! and are not threatened by these bully bills. I wonder why! -
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 3:15 AMThe government has nothing against organic gardening or farming, and in fact there are a whole lot of friends of organic farming in Congress as well as the White House. A few of the salmonella outbreaks have been traced to organic agro business, i think mostly around pre-washed pre-packaged salads sold in large food chains. If there is a salmonella outbreak, the government wants the right to inspect all over the place and find the source, which is a good idea all around. This is a very small part of this bill, really tangential, and the purpose of the bill is clearly to provide better inspection and higher standards for meat packing plants and canneries, as that is where far and away the most problems have been coming from. The government is not in the mood to take on any large regulation projects at the moment.
What is disturbing about this and the anti- codex alimentarius lobbying campaigns, is how the organic movement is hijacked to do the bidding of those with far different and even antithetical agendas. This is similar to the way a virus hijacks a cell. We need to develop better resistance to these information infections. -
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 9:35 AMAKA Intelligence
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Wed, April 1, 2009 - 11:45 AMIf this is a meat packing plot, I'm certainly annoyed. I don't like collaborating with carnivores anyway, its consistently distasteful.
I have heard specifically that thie bill was sponsored by the wife of a prominant monsanto consultant ANd that it would outlaw heritage seeds, and allow the gov to mandate certain fertilizers that.... da da dum, only monsanto and tyson provide. this bullshit?
It seems quite alarming thatr a movement could be hijaacked... I've wondered for a while if it wouldn't be better to develop independant standards of labeling. IN the long run\ I don't think its dangerous, but having clearer organizations to spread info and validate such alarms... is crucial. -
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Re: Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Wed, April 1, 2009 - 11:59 AMMonsanto has nothing to do with this bill. It does not even remotely concern it. It has absolutely nothing to do with heritage seeds. I don't know as much about the shadowy figures behind this info as Fifi does on the current thread that addresses this on "Grow Organic"
greenthumbs.tribe.net/thread/...88fd64ea
Yeah, it is alarming the ease with which the good intentions of people are diverted into this sort of scheme by simply seeding some outrageous and totally unfounded lies.
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