DreamCouncil

topic posted Thu, January 1, 2009 - 1:00 PM by  Daniel Kaiya
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D SKy has suggested that we learn to meet in dreamtime. It began in my mind as a really cool idea, and is opening into the extraordinary

The first night we tried to meet at a cafe in southern Italy. I balked, and nothing of the experience remains in memory, if it worked at all. the next night we gtried to gather around a fire on Mt shasta.

that night I dreamed I was going down a frozen river, with my partner. We were going quickly, and I was not facing the flow. I was pushing with my fists, and crashing into the banks repeatedly. An Angel, an aspect of my partner...? stopped me and cautioned me to stay more focused, to learn to look the way i am going and honor it, for I will be unable to guide others until I can watch the path with calm grace.

I listened intently, and we began again. I promptly guided the bed/raft onto a steam radiator that 'just happneed' to be on the next river bank.

to me, I am left with many insights, and the general impression that this is a much more amazing, and challenging goal than my first glance expected.

So I frame this as a challenge to this tribe.

Let us LEARN how to do this. Let us learn to council together, around a fire on Mt Shasta, by rhythms of the moon. Let us get so good at it that we can come and write of the experience here the next day, and confirm deep wisdom shared from dreamtime.

With such faith and love, we can open many doors to blessing ourselves, eachother, and the world we share as home and body.

How shall we learn to do this?
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Daniel Kaiya
New York
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  • Re: DreamCouncil

    Thu, January 1, 2009 - 2:13 PM
    We already know....Now we just let it happen....No anxiety, no stress, since those emotions are unproductive. Keep a smile on your face and gratitude in your heart...

    Just a suggestion. Although meetingat Mt. Shasta might be fun....Someday soon.

    Wade
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      Re: DreamCouncil

      Thu, January 1, 2009 - 4:11 PM
      Dear Kaiya
      since we have last spoken
      I have learned something so incredible, that I knew all along, that I can now confirm with experience.
      I've always known I could project consciousness,
      but one morning I asked a friend for help, in the mind, I called for her.
      I left her a little bubble, a message.
      I had a nightmare that night that I had a worm inside of me.
      (It was really just a pulled muscle, I think, because it went away after a month)
      Physically, I had a lump inside of me, and I was afraid.

      The next morning I received a message, on tribe, from her.
      She said she could feel my dream, she said it felt like a worm was inside of me.

      Blew my mind.

      I can't believe how sacred the internet, and tribe, can be. How sacred we can be, and are.
      Somehow from these words and pictures we can truly get a glimpse of the soul.
      Fingerprints
      unique.

      Then I started to notice that SO MANY other people have recently been realizing this.

      It's amazing.

      We are only rediscovering.

      But when I was growing up, I was told all of this was impossible.

      It's time to awaken the possibilities of the past present and future right now.

      All we have to do is focus. Meditate. love this.
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        Re: DreamCouncil

        Thu, January 1, 2009 - 4:13 PM
        It's interesting the way thoughts/messages/dreams work.
        Sometimes an entire symphony or story can erupt from a single feeling.
        How holographic is that? :]

        I'm still working on being more receptive.

        I'm quite the wanderer...if you ever want to meet just call.
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    Re: DreamCouncil

    Thu, January 1, 2009 - 5:21 PM
    I need some way to physically see the place - a map and/or a picture of the place?
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      Re: DreamCouncil

      Thu, January 1, 2009 - 5:22 PM
      Or perhaps we could meet at some iconic location for which there exists pictures already in our minds?
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        Thu, January 1, 2009 - 5:30 PM
        I'm willing to try it. If someone chooses a place with a picture, all the better. But I think if I visualize my own version of where the fire ring on Mount Shasta is before going to sleep, it is as likely as a place with a definite location that I'll go there in my dream. I just don't know if we'll all be at the same campfire. There's likely more than one place to build a fire on Mt. Shasta. Perhaps the dream world journey will make the visionary distances obsolete, though.
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          Thu, January 1, 2009 - 9:11 PM
          i believe that the map is being drawn with every post that is made here.
          yes, the internet might be simple technology but it has been said that the internet can also be sacred.
          i am sure we can all pick up vibrations from reading these posts and those vibrations would draw us toward each other.
          I do not know if i would be able to handle this though. I don't feel very experienced with this kind of thing.
          the most i can do is read tarot.
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            Re: DreamCouncil

            Thu, January 1, 2009 - 9:19 PM
            You can do anything.

            You are everything.
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              Fri, January 2, 2009 - 7:25 AM
              experience is not necessary. the I can power of the universe is all we need to tap into. let us do this. together, on occaision; alone if we cannot find each other yet. we can touch much deeper things in this way and learn from each other. i am feeling these vibrations already in the waking world!
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                Fri, January 2, 2009 - 9:33 AM
                I think the act of learning to do this together will yield blessings in many ways, and we can begin by moving in on it from several directions.

                Ik, your story is perfect. as Neil suggests, I think sharing things like this build a map, they raise the experiences which open the doors to something bigger. Learning to create a solid bridge into dream time, with the help of the 'puter.

                I'm suggesting Panther Meadow as a place to begin. It has ancient roots, which you can read about. Lumerian stories extending back before native americans crossed the alaskan land bridge... and natives went to mt shasta, and camped in this meadow, for thousands of years. indeed it was considered so sacred that no one would live there. too intense. A place for vision quests.

                I experience this mountain as a very protective and guiding window into Gaia. some call it the crown chakra of the world.

                Opening a consistnet window into dreamtime is a great task, and I feel safest in a location that is already very protective and sacred. Once we get it down, we can expiriment more with other locations.

                Ik's example is really good. To be able to meet, in a group, in this spot, and have it vibrate clearly enough that we share memories we can write of here.


                • Re: DreamCouncil

                  Wed, January 7, 2009 - 5:56 AM
                  How has anyone progressed with this? mI think its a bigger goal than expected. I really love this path.

                  I met someone from this tribe in Dream-time three nights ago. Face splashing through my mind all day.

                  Hauntingly real. 'I know this person... from where?' Beautiful. I never met before, but found them online.
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                    Re: DreamCouncil

                    Wed, January 7, 2009 - 7:29 AM
                    I keep forgetting to do it, dammit!
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                      Wed, January 7, 2009 - 8:11 AM
                      i've not made it to the meadow yet, but i did find another i know manifesting travel. we shared the same body for a while... i hope to find the meadow soon.
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    Wed, January 7, 2009 - 2:36 PM
    hello tribe,
    I've been away from the computer world for a few months now. Had to purchase a new one. Coming back I feel a little overwhelmed trying to get back into the threads. I realize now though the real thing is I am not finding much that is interesting me until now. This is a wonderful idea and I hope people are still trying. I would like to join on this venture. I've really put my medicine woman ways down over the past few months and need to get back into the dreaming, the journeys, the medicine, the magic. Thank you Daniel. Tonight I will try to put my intentions to this place, though I have to say I do not have much practice with conscious dreaming in terms of the type of dreaming that happens when our bodies sleep. I am much better at shamanic journey work and entering the dreamtime with my drum. Hope to see some of you there though :-)
    many Blessings upon the Council of Dreams
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      Re: DreamCouncil

      Wed, January 7, 2009 - 4:50 PM
      i am thinking that maybe a symbol and or action may be more effective than an actual place.

      adding some creativity to the game aside to (or added to) meeting in an actual place, i will imagine holding my palm out, others can join in if they will and place their palm apon mine to form a circular group... forming a circle symbolising communication, unity and strength.

      i await u : )
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        Re: DreamCouncil

        Wed, January 7, 2009 - 5:02 PM
        let me relate here some of my thought on the subject matter...

        you know that when you talk to someone in your head you adress their soul. your soul exists on the 5th dimention and exist in 100% in truth; your truth, my truth, and all truths. all souls are connected like the internet. i call it our internal inn-ter-net (web). and soul is connected to source. soul knows exactly what is cutting with you in your life as it is director of all your earthly experiences.

        what stops you from direcly experiencing soul are your beliefs and things like ego. ego meaning i am seperate from you, big and better than you ect...but behind the illusion of everyday fickle lipstick life we all exist on exactly the same level...from a poverty stricken induvidual, to the president of the united states, to a rapist... as hard as that may be to believe. courage, compassion and creativity is needed to comprehend this.

        you can also adress a collective consciousness such as the collective unconsciousness or the soul of the human race which... which govern the collective afairs of human life on the planet. you can even adress archytypes, or souls from say an angle to the devil. you can make requests to anything, debate, bargin ect... access is instant. remember we all play a game. good and evil are behind the scenes just programs to train and temper us.

        it can be encouraging to know that you can communicate instantly with someone/something on that level.

        if soul is in agreement with say a request of yours it shall be. if not , it shall be not. it may be hard to belief that this is so living in the fog of everyday life, but perhaps it is one of the games we have submerged ourselves in, or at least designed for ourselves on a soul level, perhaps so that we master the skills of cutting thru this fog. kind of like learning walk in the dark with intuitive eyes wide open.

        so we play a game of hide and seek with ourselves, with all other selves, and souls, all the time and beyond time itself.

        it may be of help to bare the above in mind when doing a meeting exercise such as this. we are told and taught that this kind of communication is not possible confining us into 3d office boxes and the comparative believes. our birthright is freedom.

        i hope this helps you from my perspective to understand a possible bigger picture than you were aware of before. if what i have said exists in truth then your intuition (being soul talk) will nudge you. bon voyage.
      • Re: DreamCouncil

        Wed, January 7, 2009 - 9:37 PM
        I have been trying to come to the meadow on Mt. Shasta. I remember almost every night lately to think about it as I'm falling asleep, hoping that will help to transport me there. If I do come, I'll hold out my hand and place it over the others in the circle (if I remember in my dream like state!)

        Yes, I'll keep trying. It could take weeks of training our minds to do this for it to actually work. Let's not loose patience.
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          Re: DreamCouncil

          Thu, January 8, 2009 - 5:37 AM
          good point, Christie - could take time, practice
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            Thu, January 8, 2009 - 10:17 AM
            Wow, this is working well.

            I appreciate the post Jon Z, and Christie... I really think you are right. I'm getting the sense that it is a biger challenge ANd that it is well worth it. The work to be able to do this leads to many more possibilities.

            So two areas of attention.

            I have been praying each night, and last night I smoked some mugwort, which helps with dreams. I didn't get there. I did dream intensely, and what I'm noticing is that my dreams are taking me directly into ego stuff that prevents me from reaching the meadow. Its work I want to do. by sharing it here, we can really grow in trust.

            This b rings me to intent. What is our intent? At first it just seemed like the coolest idea ... But as it settles in that it is harder, and more possible, then I initially thought... it seems we need be clear about our intentions.

            i feel this tribe as a calling. I know right now it seems rather small, office distraction for many, daily unwinding... but honestly, gathering people of shared loving intention is really special. this is the dawning of an age more in tune with Nature. We are gathered under her banner. It is not a casual connection we share. by meeting in our dreams, we could well invite deeper guidance in, to teach us how to work some real healing magic together. What a remarkable place to come together!

            I suggest we open the conversation a little as Jon has ... talking ... also... about the dynamics, the paradigms that change as we learn such a gathering, along with honing clear shared intentions that leave all of us, and the world around us, healthier, happier, and more loving.

            this is a calling.
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              Re: DreamCouncil

              Thu, January 8, 2009 - 9:03 PM
              Mugwort...what a lovely plant.

              I used to gather it and just let it dry near my sleepy pillow...
              that essence is by far the most potent.

              Too much tea can be hard on the liver. A little puff here, a little puff there ;]

              Intentions are what carve the pathways are what align to the grid, are what harmonize with the symphony, are what defines.

              Thus, I've discovered my intentions to grow my inverted holographic roots into the source, which surrounds inside and out.
              To expand this understanding, these capabilities.
              To elaborate,
              and connect.

              Here on Tribe, we weave our possibilities.
              I've met a few people on here that I've grown and am growing a very deep psychic connection with.
              One that involves the sending and receiving of packets of consciousness that contain information.

              Do you know how many I've met in "real life?"
              About the same amount.

              I've been working with monotropa (indian pipe) for dreaming. Very interesting plant. I'm having some success working with it in tincture form.

              I have yet to find any of you in this meadow,
              although I'll fly through and see wussup

              • Re: DreamCouncil

                Fri, January 9, 2009 - 6:55 AM
                Well getting close4r, I got onto the mountain last night... but it was in a future time when the whole place had turned into a commodified Sedona. The mountain was not happy with me.

                intentions intentions intentinos. Part of me was already imagining the hord3es of people dreaming into connection there, and a giant dream dance we'd gather. This is not wanted.

                So so so. My dreams are getting more specific. "is this what you mean...this... this...' I'm getting exagerated funhouse mirrors of my requests. ?Nt at all what I want.

                a key part seems to involve technology. we are using it to connect here, and set intentions... how much a part of our future do we want it? My dreams are basically showing me how bad my intentions can look if they are acheived primarily through technology.

                In this I clarify intentions once again. I choose to participate in learning to gather in dreamtime. This meadow is in tune with the rhythms of the earth, can fuard our growth, and teach us to honor the sacred in all places, an excellent guide for the ways of harmony. I honor the spirit of the place itself, and surrender to this guidance. Let nothing be out of balance with the core vibrations of this place. let any attention gathered here be a blessing to all, leading us to trust our spiritual connection well beyond the technologies that link us now. let these technologies be training wheels, for deeper work in the future.
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                  Re: DreamCouncil

                  Fri, January 9, 2009 - 8:38 AM
                  Thoughtful - humans are not much good at looking ahead
                  "The Machine" descended upon us on February 12th 2008. It is the embodiment of our collective fear, hatred, selfishness and is driven by the power of our consciousness. By means of kind psychic Jujutsu The Machine uses the force of our own consciousness against us. (huge irony since so many humans do not understand that our human consciousness is forceful!) There is no doubt in my mind that The Machine seeks to destroy us all and so long as we empower it with so much greed and selfishness and fear it works to our end.

                  There is another potential "machine" that the mushroom elders warned me about. By machine they meant intelligent silicon life form -
                  "if you connect the mind of man to the mind of a machine before connecting the the mind of man to the mind of a plant, the biosphere is doomed" - they were refering here to a cyborg like connection with "connect the mind of man to the mind of a machine"

                  All that having been said, I don't think communicating about our dreams is in any way negative. The ironic thing is that without a massive die off of humanity - which I don't think any compassionate being would want - only technology can save us. But if we create a new consciousness through a cyborg connection to a computer incomprehensibly more intelligent than ourselves, without gaining in wisdom, and compassion, this will create an unbalanced Frankenstein monster that will go on to destroy all DNA life on the planet.

                  Fortunately there is The New Creature arisen also from our own consciousness and it also loose upon the world like The Machine only this New Creature understands that love is the only power we possess and it seeks to save as much biodiversity as it can. The New Creature is allied with the Plant Consciousness and the Gaian Consciousness of the planet. I too have joined them with a blood oath but have yet to be called to any action other than learning to love myself and open my heart. (Dangerous and daring enough a mission for any soldier!) Many other humans have also joined in the alliance between Plant and Man. (The Plant mind and the Gaian mind are like old soulmates, bonded perfectly and beautifully.) I can't help but think of us as soldiers of love - but then I read everything Hemingway ever wrote!

                  But I believe that the warning is quite literal and that at some point what is called upon is a physical connection between plant and man involving somekind of technology - not simply the consumption of plant teachers.

                  In terms of what is at stake here, think Mars. And I strongly suspect that the DNA life here on this planet is far more precious and rare than Carl Sagan imagined ...
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                    Re: DreamCouncil

                    Fri, January 9, 2009 - 9:10 AM
                    I think the melding you forsee between plants and peeps comes through the cannabinoid system that is already in our bodies,. there are ways to activate the same system triggered by thc externally, without the surge of smoke. we can learn it, through conscious prayerful use. I have been doing so, and this is what has guided me deep into gaian care.

                    we have to replace the dominator paradigm with something both stronger, and more loving. an interesting challenge!

                    Would you start a new thread based around your recent post, and somehow sharing the same... similar info... as a question? I have some thoughts in response, and I'd like to see it grow in its own right, while we keep dreaming. i think the spin off model could get deeper conversations going, where we keep a core vibe, and particular posts become their own threads when they seem to merit it?
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    Sat, January 10, 2009 - 6:50 AM
    two nights ago just after I had closed my eyes to sleep but before I settled into dreaming, I journied to the DreamCouncil, sitting round a fire at night. I was told to follow the Bear (Ursa Major, who points towards North). I was standing outside the circle and could see the constellation in the night sky. Then two or three people pointed in the direction which was to my left. I heard "East". This did not correspond with the position of Ursa MAjor in the sky, but I believe it was to give me a sense of direction to know if East is to my left then I am standing at the North. The Bear was about cardinal points, the people in the circle pointing were about positions on the medicine wheel. I myself do not know a whole lot about the symbolism and meaning of the different directions. All I do know is that for the longest time I was working in the direction of the South with destruction/chaos/ and rebirth. Kali was a reoccurring figure in my life. I also know I am at a turning point and recent signs and dreams have shown me that I am standing at the North and now the DreamCouncil has "spoken" as well :-) I started to walk in the direction that everyone was pointing which brought me to another site. It felt like a solo sight.
    Many Blessings,
    Jessie
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    Sat, January 10, 2009 - 10:03 AM
    I can see it in my daydreaming, faintly. Tonight I'll go if I may...
    THe idea of this DreamCouncil is great.
    Here, we could forge on tribe appropriate texts for our intentions!?

    Love,

    ML.
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      Mon, January 12, 2009 - 7:17 AM
      I dreamed animals came up on the lawn, in the subburbns. goats and cows and ... black dogs. And the black dogs made love in the grass.

      I think my intentions have been too tight... seriousity.

      when we meet in dreamtime.

      let us dance.
  • Re: DreamCouncil

    Wed, January 14, 2009 - 1:03 AM
    Aloha, fellow dreamers

    Kaiya has asked me to contribute here, as I'm an active dreamworker, offering private sessions as well as Dreamshops, in Santa Cruz, at the Dreamtime festival in Colorado, and on the playa in BRC.

    I've really been enjoying the current dialogue around meeting up in Panther Meadows. After talking with Kaiya, it occurred to me that some fundamental steps need to be taken for us to gather in the dreaming, at that beautiful spot.

    This then, is a thread focused on Lucid Dreaming and Intentional Dreaming. The idea is that even if some of us manage to travel to the Meadow, if we're not conscious of the journey AND traveling in resonance with others with the same intention, we may all go there and not recall the dream, or we could all visit the our separate dimensional expressions of the place.

    To remedy that, for those interested, I propose the first task is to become skilled at lucid dreaming. Then, we develop the talent called Intentional Dreaming.

    Here are some basics that many of us know and are still valuable insights:

    Lucid Dreaming: Being aware that you're dreaming, while you're dreaming.
    Intentional Dreaming: Practicing setting an intention for the dreamspace, before falling asleep, then experiencing our expression of that intention.

    To genuinely meet up in Panther Meadows, we need to be skilled at both of these skills, because this meet up will involve a third factor; To engage in shared or communal dreaming, by collaboratively practicing tuning into a shared resonant dreaming field.

    With all that said, for those of you still with me, here's the very simple instructions that resulted in me having lucid flying dreams with increasing degrees of lucidity, control and power, over the course of 3 months.

    1. While in bed or just before bed (if you don't wish to disturb someone else in bed with you), say aloud, "thank you (your name), for dreaming lucidly tonight. thank you (your name) for remembering my dreams in the morning." I expand on this greatly in my own practice. There are a few keys: Speak aloud. Our brains and spirits respond powerfully to our own voices. Use past-tense phrasing as though it's the next morning and you've already had the experience of your lucid dream the night before. Our brains here this and jump to make it true. Use your own phrasing. The power resides in how much and how deeply we feel what we're saying. I go into a relaxed, believable conversational tone with myself that my reasoning mind is less likely to resist. Really, just talk to yourself. "Thank you, Jason, for dreaming lucidly. Thank you for remembering my dreams in the morning. Thank you for waking easily and relaxedly and remembering everything I did. Thank you for being awake in my dreams. That was so much fun. That was so clear. I remember everything so vividly. Thank you for opening that door for me again. I love being awake in my dreams and for remembering them when I wake." The more you can generate the feeling of having had that experience, the better your results will be and the faster you’ll progress.

    Also, the more you can do this while you're falling asleep, aloud, the better it works. As you're drifting off, allow your voice to get lower and more resonant in your chest. This is when the programming gets in deepest. I'll pull myself awake just a bit, as I'm almost asleep, to say repeat it again. Often, just repeating the same phrase over and over and over again, hearing the echoes of "thank you for lucid dreaming, thank you for lucid dreaming, thank you for lucid dreaming.....", until I really can't talk anymore, works the best. Keep it simple. Give your reasoning mind less to decipher so that the programming can get to your spirit, that much faster.

    This method has been very effective in my own journeys and I'm exited to share it here. A simple, powerful practice.

    As we develop this skill, we’ll start into Intentional dreaming, bringing us baby steps closer to meeting up the shared dreaming expression of Panther Meadows.

    I’m looking forward to your thoughts, your reflections and experiences. Feel invited to share any questions.

    Aloha and see you in the dreaming

    Dolphin


    • Re: DreamCouncil

      Thu, January 15, 2009 - 3:17 PM
      Thx. for post Dolphin.
      Have you delved in Cataneda's works on this topic?
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        Fri, January 16, 2009 - 1:17 PM
        Jesse Stone Feather... I wonder about your experience.

        Some posts back, I wrote 'this is a calling' without thinking too much about it.

        Are we actually being called there? Is there already is a council occuring? I don't mean in a vague 'everything is real' way, I mean are there earth guardians, non-material, embodied even, who are already gathering, and the call is reaching us? Whether or not your experience reflects this... I wonder.

        ML, Castenada. Its curious, I have been dreaming more intently for over a week now, and I'm increasingly conscious of the issues I'm being brought to. Power issues. Lack of surrender issues. to me, Carlos was quite interesting, but always lacked ... well LOVE. I don't really trust him, for some of the same reasons I don't trust myself. Or rather, I see in him the reflection of what I don't trust in myself - the stubborn belief that to explore spiritual and mystical extremes... dominance paradigms are necessary. I feel a much more vibrant path available.

        To follow it, it seems I need to weed my own relationship with power. Desire, even a form of spiritual greed.

        Panther Meadows is an amazing placer. Dolphin and I both spent time In shasta. It is ancient, pure. It taught me to feel and honor the sacredness in the land everywhere, for it is so unmistakeably sacred.

        Dolphin, thank you brother for this post, very clear, and helpful. Helps me gather courage, to go deeper into this... ccalling.

        i'd love to hear how others are making out in your dreams... less 'have you gotten there' and more ... 'how are you experiencing the path of learning how to consciously dream.'
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          Tue, January 20, 2009 - 4:01 PM
          Your input on Castenada is really great, down to a tee. Quite enlightening.
          Yes indeed, Love! (Oh, I'm into/reading his Magical Passes book just now...)

          My dreams have brought me to & fro about my own 'issues'...
          I've never been close to Shasta.
          But, in my daydreaming, I do see a circle of people sitting, at night around a medium fire,
          with a dark figure in robe & big hood, with a large two-pronged staff trying to scare,
          or (rather) he is bringing dark tidings, not sure... but this is 'what I see'.

          ML.
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            Thu, January 22, 2009 - 1:27 PM
            i feel like at this point, i'm wandering; almost even subconciously testing myself before i can make progress. i found a profound awareness with Dolphin's suggestions on lucidity, but lately the content of my dreams is nigh infested with ego trips and manipulations. in the dreams i'm aware of it all as well. its almost like a bunch of crazy ideas and the weirdest mundane experiences are being thrown together and hashed out at the same time. at first and continuing to be very annoying, and somewhat disconcerting; but right now, i wonder if this is my mind's eye purging itself of unwanted emotive guidance. i wake feeling a little more empty, a little more airy, a little more restless every day. often i cannot even sleep through the night, waking and changing the dreams as they prattle on, trying to casually decipher them...
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              Thu, January 22, 2009 - 5:34 PM
              I dream with great recollection currently.. didnt dream last night, and realized it was most likely because my body was stiff.

              I hadn't stretched, make sure to physically release as well as mentally for sleep.

              Kinda crazy, I read this thread just now, but last night my friend and I through the phone decided that we would, over the next month, attempt to meet together on the Marquesas Islands as a couple living off of the rainforest.. remarkably interesting that you all have been attempting to meet toooo!

              SO, care for a spot of tea on the whispy meadow anyone? I'll be serving joint comfort.. but you will have already stretched for the climb, correct?
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                Fri, January 23, 2009 - 5:59 AM
                My dreams continue to do something akin to what you're getting sMel. two night ago I must have had twelve dreams, all very vivid, very weird, purging, disturbing, oddly dissassociative.

                A dream where I was on a battlefield, gleefully doing quite a job, deciding to leave, setting down a weapon only to find I have another one, pulling out this sword and pointing it into the earth.. .having difficulty letting go of the fight... because I like it. wooosh, hard to stomach.

                And to be real, and honest. Lots of attractions. I live with a woman I met in shasta, oddly enough. Katia. And at night I'm dreaming of woman after woman in my life its rather embarassing actually : ) Women I don't know, women I did, and loved... totally unfocused, inconsistent. the model of a man I don't want to be really.

                one thing though, since setting the intention to get to the meadow, my dreams have changed dramatically. its only getting more focused, my intentions are indeed responsive to this exploration, its just a bigger deal than I thought.

                Katia, dreamed she got to Panther meadows, ironically. she hasn't been all the way to the meadow... in body, but she actually saw Panther's there.

                I envision a range between a solemn gathering around the fire, sacred honor to meet, and to pray together so deeply... and a celebration of how amazing it will be to start this.
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                  Re: DreamCouncil

                  Mon, January 26, 2009 - 7:43 AM
                  dolphin , if i may ask, i get annoyed with myself because i can make progress to a cetain level on what focas on, but then blank. the more i focus on something the more it seems to vanish. its as if as soon as one conscentrates on something, or are aware of something, it eliminates the experience. its paradoxical. i remember a vivid lucid deam experience resently of flying down into a forest ravine for example, or sinking into th earth, but as soon as i became aware of it in a more conscoius way it evapourated. i am sure many of us are faced with the same problem. its as if awakeninig to something deletes it. your assistence ???
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                    Re: DreamCouncil

                    Mon, January 26, 2009 - 9:48 AM
                    The reason your lucid dreaming dissolves once you become aware of it is because to lucid dream, your brain needs to be humming at a certain operating frequency.
                    When you become lucid, I bet you get pretty excited, don't you?
                    It is this excitement that raises the pitch of your brains operational frequency, and takes you out of dreams and back into reality.

                    The trick is to remain calm. ;]
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                      Fri, January 30, 2009 - 7:50 AM
                      I'm still plugging away, and several themes are unravelling.

                      First of all, I feel like mt shasta is saying no to this, at least for now. I had a very clear dream soon after I'd set the meadow as a goal... that shasta was covered in homes, and tourists, and the mounntain was NOT HAPPY.

                      Shasta has a sinilar oomph to Sedona, and yet there is a magical refusal to become that commodified. Anyway, I feel the no, at least for now.

                      So I'd like to suggest we set a new location, perhaps every moon? for the moon we try to meet there, and then we move on. the real magic is in BEING ABLE to meet, not just in pulling it off once.

                      We need to clarify intent and location some more.
                      Anyone else want to set a place and post a pic?
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                    Re: DreamCouncil

                    Tue, February 10, 2009 - 1:47 AM
                    Jon,
                    Dolphin here. I've been away from this thread and just read thru all the posts since I was here, last. This is a beautiful evolution unfolding.

                    Your question and frustration are common. In my experience,

                    As Ik mentioned, often people will bounce out of the dreaming, once they realize what's going on. My advice is to stick with it. The more and more frequently you do nightly programming and, in general, nurture being "conscious" throughout your day, the more familiar with the that state of being you'll become and the less of a shock to your awareness it will be. I put in programming for 2-3 weeks straight, before I was able to experience lucidity and be able to stay in.

                    Likely, it also may be a symptom of how you're conditioned to respond in your waking life when you things become spontaneously clear. It may feel like too much in that moment, and as a protective measure from childhood, you "pop out". I have this pattern, variously, though, through following the path of dreamwork, I'm more able to be with whatever is going on and pop out much less.

                    Just keep at it. Consistency is key here, and, as Kaiya and others have mentioned, you'll possibly continue to process thru psycho-emotional stuff, over the course of this long journey we're all on.

                    Enjoy the full moon lunar eclipse :)

                    Jason
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                      Wed, February 11, 2009 - 1:04 PM
                      this sounds awsome....i have discovered that since ive pretty ,much cut our caffiene out of my diet....(sometimes i drink tea and i love it!!! ) my dreams have been much more intense. i still have a lot of difficulty remembering them....i just remember the feeling and general gist of the dream.

                      i have a few things to say regarding this series of posts.

                      Daniel.....mt shasta is NOT the crown chakra....its the ROOT chakra.. tibet is the crown chakra of the world...maybe the mountian wasnt happy with you because you were using it in the incorrect manner. ?? maybe using the correct context will guide more of you to the same place??


                      and the wonderful little antidotes on the vegetable dimension whence we all came made me smile
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                        Thu, February 12, 2009 - 9:17 AM
                        Not sure about the chakra earth thing... I lived in shasta for over six months ,and I never felt the whole 'crown' thing. I didn't really imagine it as any chakra.

                        heard lately that the root was moving from asia to south america... that feels... worth looking into.

                        though I imagine the earth's relationsip with her chakras is different than ours. Love to learn more.

                        I'm still feeling my way here... An other idea for where to meet in dreamtime is giants stadium. We could dance so truly it begins to sink back into the swamp...
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                          Re: DreamCouncil

                          Thu, February 12, 2009 - 9:20 AM
                          The ring of fire is a chakra, in my opinion.

                          Not only is it a circle of intense energy flow,
                          the level of consciousness seems to be higher here.
                          Japan, west coast USA, hawaii, etc.

                          Not higher than all,
                          of course. I think of Tibet,
                          India.

                          :]
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                          Fri, February 13, 2009 - 8:07 PM
                          Not sure about the chakra earth thing... I lived in shasta for over six months ,and I never felt the whole 'crown' thing. I didn't really imagine it as any chakra.


                          you said that in your last post....

                          you were the one that said others call it the crown chakra. i was just correcting......

                          as far as the chakras moving......no, doesnt feel right to me at all. unless you are talking about a literal root. lol....




                          on topic of dream stuff.....i was following the advice given on thanking yourself before you go to sleep and had a super neat/vivid dream last night....

                          i was in a house it felt like (lots of rooms) we were all meeting in the top room with windows. when you looked out the windows it was as if we were spiraling about....but perfectly still where we were at. then everything slowed down to allow me to see, it was a scene of pyramids....but not the ones you see/think about today. these were shimmering and beautiful....and instead of the spinx being how he is today, it was a lama like figure.....with ears that made me think of picachu...lol.....

                          i was with people i knew. not sure who, or how i knew them. just that i was safe. and loved.

                          it was just so vivid all day and still is now. its awsome. hoeing to remember more now.

                          thank you all for this thread!

                          much love
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                            Sat, February 14, 2009 - 8:17 AM
                            I love this post sharon, I just felt like you shot a cannon ball into me. 'correcting' on an issue that many people disagree upon... feels too aggressive. What you have to share shines in its own right.

                            Drunvalo M. just wrote a book about the worlds... root, moving from Tibet to The Andes. I have not had any personal intuitions or teaching on this issue, which means I probably should not have mentioned it initially : )

                            Whatever Shasta is in a grander sense... it didn't seem to want to be barraged with tourists. My personal flow was too hyper, looking three steps ahead. As Dolphin jsut told me recently, lets not jump into graduate school before we get out of high school.

                            Can you imagine a public forum literally learning to gather in dreamtime, regularly, it will be amazing.

                            Whether 'we' pull it off, or not.

                            I think the process of sharing how we are dreaming as we learn, is sacred and personal, and not to be skipped past. Thank you each for doing so.

                            My dreams last night were very good. I am flying, with much more focus, and I felt a profound absence of danger. Just the challenge of not going too high or low too quickly.

                            Actually, at one point I went up, through the clouds, I got really scared, and then I did something I don't recall doing in flight ... I just surrendered! I said oh well, I will be okay, I'm ... and vooosh, I was lifted above the storm, and it was sunny. and low and behold I was okay. I remember wondering if I could go back down through the clouds, and whether I would attract lightning IN the clouds... and then transition.
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                              Sat, February 14, 2009 - 6:01 PM
                              My dreams last night were very good. I am flying, with much more focus, and I felt a profound absence of danger. Just the challenge of not going too high or low too quickly.

                              Actually, at one point I went up, through the clouds, I got really scared, and then I did something I don't recall doing in flight ... I just surrendered! I said oh well, I will be okay, I'm ... and vooosh, I was lifted above the storm, and it was sunny. and low and behold I was okay. I remember wondering if I could go back down through the clouds, and whether I would attract lightning IN the clouds... and then transition.


                              remember fear holds you back. without fear you obly have faith and love.....both bring you closer to the pure light that is love. :) thats really neat that you got to experience that little lesson in that way.

                              take each step with 100% conviction, doubt will keep a "toehold" in this material plane.....

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                                Sat, February 14, 2009 - 6:02 PM
                                posting again to say oops i forgot to type that i was quoting someone in previous post.....

                                :p
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                                  Mon, February 23, 2009 - 9:44 AM
                                  I was walking in the woods the other day, and I was confused. I got mad that I was confused, and prayed for guidance. I heard 'we keep sending it to you, but you tear it apart'

                                  I asked again and heard 'we'll tell you noontime tomorrow.'

                                  So the next day I got online and was reading this thread, and read your posts sharon. I got consumed by frustration that you were 'patronizing me' and started writing dramatic replies ... and felt weird in my body. I deleted my last silly response...

                                  went outside and noticed the sun was at its apex. noontime

                                  thank you for holding the space you do, and sharing fearlessly.

                                  peace.
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                                    Mon, February 23, 2009 - 8:14 PM
                                    i was never patronizing you. that was you doing it all to your self. i was just giving you an outsider perception of what you typed. sometimes its the simple things we just dont 'see'.....i know i personally have a lot of things i can work on grasping....one day at a time.

                                    glad i can help in the little ways i can. :) lol


                                    i just started dreaming again.....i dont seem to have them during my moons.....???? but i have been forgetting to thank myself for remembering....

                                    need to remember.

                                    much love to you all!!!


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                                      Wed, March 4, 2009 - 4:13 PM
                                      well i am not having much luck with the remembering of dreams. :( and i am apparently am sleep walking now. ??!!??!?

                                      last night i managed to burn myself in my sleep.....no clue what i did, or how....or that i even got up 5 times. O_o i only remember waking up once to get water.


                                      *sigh*
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                                        Re: DreamCouncil

                                        Wed, March 4, 2009 - 4:56 PM
                                        maybe keep a dream journal open with a pen and pad and light handy - flashlight if necessary. tell yourself to wake up and write instead of walking - can't hurt?
                                        i have a dream short hand and find if I just jot down a few sleepy notes when awakened at night i then can recall even elaborate dreams in the morning. I found so many dreams so rich that writing them down took up too much of the night!
                                        you can ask and/or write down questions of intentions or both - a quick note or long delving psychological dialogue as you wish.
                                        love relationships?
                                        life questions
                                        spiritual intentions
                                        anything (creative and personal or universal - artwork or music before bed? ) you think will jog your unconscious into response but i think it's amazing how easily it works - I ask a question and write it in dream journal and of get an "answer" in the form of a dream
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                                          Tue, March 17, 2009 - 8:45 AM
                                          Last night I dremed we were all in giants stadium. I have had half an intention to get there, and boom, there WE were.

                                          It was full. something was happening I didn't understand, an almost political revoluationary big brother type energy. the people turned against it, as the figure in the field, getting blamed for some things... sat in a dish and lit a fire... and the whole dish began to rise, and he flew right out!

                                          And a fire overtook us. i felt the flames ris, and the whole place was quickly consumed. we were IN the fire, and I just kept chanting 'surrender to love surrender to love... I grabbed the peo9ple nearest to me.

                                          then an odd thing happened. i was elsewhere, watching. Three figures were standing on an island of dirt, with flames and lava all around. they were typical evil tpe guys, half beastly half man. But they were like action figures, stone still. then a bird flew in, and tossed them down towards the lava. the frequency shifted, and they came to life, struggling. one got consumed, the other lost his legs, and kept pulling with his arms. dove through an entire lfow, and kept going. Made it back to the top of the hill, and the central skeleton like figure was gone, so he dove down again, and swam through a lava flow. He was going to be okay, after loosing his legs. the others were consumed.
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                                            Tue, March 17, 2009 - 8:47 AM
                                            then everything changed again, and I was down in a celklar. underground, food, meat, and guys playing music. I ate some meat, and felt very sick ... I don't eat it in the physical. They sang. I got bored, and left. Felt the sunshine, it was lovely. got drawn back down, and they were kind of catatonic. still eating. the same dude was singing. they were not coming to life. i prepared to leave again.

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