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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 7:08 AMespecially since we are not even "life"
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 8:06 AMLife??? a few thoughts offered.........Well, it does seem to be a naturally limiting club. The odds do seem to be stacked against it. Earth does put it all together nicely, where as most space rocks fail. Timing of changes is everything to achieve life. Nature learns and adapts by trial and error. And there still is no definitive proof for a global consensus. Perhaps that is revelation is just around the bend. If we make it that far as a species. Another failed social experiment, like a neglected petrie dish... One can express beliefs in off- earth life but life will not be as we project it to be.
P.s. My own internal arising opinion says yes to many forms of life yet it is but one opinion........
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 8:18 AMit's a matter of human ego.
we'd hate to think there is someone else playing in our sandbox.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Mon, May 11, 2009 - 9:03 PMI agree to such a anthropocentric question,
but, that is a bad reason to be a 'patrick' !
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 1:34 PMI don't think that is the case.
I think people believe that there is life on earth.
I'll be careful hw i phrase this..
We only believe that there is life on earth.
we only believe that there is life on earth because it is the only life we can see, and so it is the only life we know of for sure.
but this statement is not "we believe that life can only exist on earth and nowhere else"
we believe what we can see or experience.
if we only lived life in a single room, we might not believe that trees are real. until we go out and see one.
as for other planets.. if they exist or not, if there is life there or not... we don't know.
that is why stories exist.
all space we have seen so far is empty with only stars in it.
in the scope of our knowledge, the odds are that there is no other life. as we see more universe, and more of it is empty, the likelihood of being no other life increases.
asw i search a room for my keys, and as time goes by and i do not find my keys, the chances of my keys being in that room decrease steadily.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 2:14 PMConsider the amount of time that life was on Earth, several billion years. A billion is 9 zeros. Now consider the amount of time that humans have been sending radio waves into space. About a hundred years. That makes detection about a 1 in 10 million chance.
Now consider this: Mankind has reached the point of eminent extinction, except for one thing. There is only one thing that prevents mankind from destroying itself.
All planets with life on them reach this point, where the life on the planet has the technology to destroy itself. They probably all reach that point around 100 years after they first start sending out radio waves.
At that point, they either destroy themselves, or they continue, but there is only one way to continue. Our current form of society is not it. Our current path is a path of destruction. They only way to continue is to change to a new form of society. The "Age of Aquarius".
When and if a planet reaches that point, technology then starts to grow at hyper speed and within a few short years that planet becomes invisible to primitive planets like our own. So, you've got only about 150 years to detect life on a planet, out of billions of years.
As for the one thing that is preventing mankind from destroying itself, it is a super intelligent super organism, of course. Without that, we'd already be dead. No lifeforms on any planet would ever survive that stage without that.
Tony
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 2:36 PMI don't think i know anybody who believes that there is only life on Earth. It is true that there is not hard proof, so believing that there is life elsewhere is wrong to my mind too, though i think it is HIGHLY!! freaking likely. But i see no reason for beliefs of thinks we don't KNOW. I think we should maintain open minds. I think of the whole universe as alive and one big beastie, but i don't believe in this so much as i have it as a tentative theory. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, April 26, 2009 - 11:29 AMIts the proof thing that makes it all so interesting. Within this definition of proof, within this kind of a paradigm, its basically not true until its true, kinda like innocent until proven guilty...
that has benefits in certain cases, but under these conditions, with something that is so vast, and in many ways so silly.. I find it very frustrating that we can sustain collective ignorance
of course I actually believe this is the point. I think we participated in this Earth adventure and consciously chose to enter forgetfulness, to accept consditions in which we are veled, for several millenia, in order to create something new.
I'm really wanting to get perspective back, to understand what about our experience here is unique, and more about why we chose to forget, to block out, everything else.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, April 26, 2009 - 11:48 AMIt's not true that it's not true just because it is not proven to be true!!!!!! This reminds me of a line in the Tao te ching.
To know that you do not know is best. Who knows that he doesn't know is the highest. To know when one doesn't know is best. Who pretends to know what he doesn't know is sick-minded; To think one knows when one doesn't know is a sort of malady. Pretend to know when you don't know - that's a disease. He who recognises this disease as a disease can also cure himself of it [and maybe not]. [One may eventually get free from a disease by recognising it for what it is.] Who recognises sick-mindedness as sick-mindedness can't be wholly sick-minded, after all.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, April 26, 2009 - 1:08 PMDaniel you made me think of how we are in this situation...
we are beings that generally react to our environment. nt the other way around.
in the higher dimension, I believe it is the case that our environment reacts to us...
so if you know something, it would be.
i think that us humans actually behave in this way to start of with but very soon, we learn that our thoughts do not become reality and so instead our thoughts become stories.
it is because we are not connected to the source that we do not have the luxury of being able to trust our thoughts 100%. we can say " i thik there is a planet in that position (while pointing to a far off star), but saying it, does not make it so. so we must fall back on what we have provided evidence for. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 7:25 AMwhat an interesting mix of perspectives.
I;'m offering this piece in particular, that we CHOSE this, and that part of the choice was to forget about everything else for a while, and focus on this right here. In doing so, I believe we set up mechanisms for remembering.l.. that leave us transformed. we get to be reintroduced to the vastness of the universe, from a changed perspectve.
what is the intention? why do beings choose to follow those neon lights? We obviously couldn't know completely what would happen. maybe we could...
I feel strongly that now is the time to remember, and that we need to do that with each other.
i read a very beautiful simple book called 'VISION' once, where a famkly went and lived off the grid for seven years. their intention was simply to be with the land, sustain themselves... and get away from the confusion.
After seven years, the writer heard Gaia's voice in his head. she explained to him that we are all being reborn together, and that we'll get the opportunity to go back out into the universe and spread our unique form of life.
What is unique about us? D, you suggest we are very unique for this galaxy, even this universe...
that seems like such an amazing statement. Lets go into it. why did we want to forget all that is so thoroughly. What are we creating together?
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 8:38 AMit is only what I have perceived myself - I sensed nothing like "us" that is this earth, humans - human consciousness
and then of course I experienced my eternal self and eternity where I was as I am but was completely different - ecstasy, bliss
and so I reversed the question, kind of: if I am eternal and eternity is pure bliss (beyond that but words fail here) then why I am here and now?
ha ha ha
see this earth where the wolf eats the caribou alive teaches eternal beings lessons that we could never learn anywhere else - it all just seems so normal because we are of this earth - our earth self. This world teaches beginning and end, birth and death, desire and fear, loss and hopeless, pain and grief - these are the precious lessons for eternity, deepening our eternal beings
we are flickering bits of light, of the one, capable of entering sentient beings - there is no other way to say it than "this is what we do" - an eternal being must do something, right?
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, April 26, 2009 - 12:15 PMwhen i "travelled throughout reality" for a billion years, I sensed intelligent beings, senitent beings ... out there around me in vast reaches of space, I sensed only love - nothing like this reality here on earth. I sensed no other worlds where the wolf eats the caribou alive and because I had a billion years to whittle away I thought about that a lot? The whole point of my experience was abandonment and for a large portion of these billion years I yearned for some type of human companion - but I found nothing like .. me .. us ... human ..
We humans here on earth are completely unlike other conscious, sentient beings anywhere else either in this universe or others, I think
In the same way that death makes life meaningful, our uniqueness in this reality makes our brief life here more meaningful, I think
for we eternal beings this peculiar reality here on earth offers compelling and precious "experiences" - a mere 5 billion years this universe could become uninhabitable and long before our incredible and unique human consciousness could expire in extinction
in great NEON lights with an arrow pointing toward earth out in space it reads, "ETENERNALS - ONCE IN AN ETERNITY OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY" It is blinking in cosmic color, quite fetching in its way!
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 3:27 PMEverything is possible, ... because even 'dumb' notions are possible! -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 11:19 AMThere is probably other live somewhere in the universe...
But will we ever make contact?
And will they understand us if we do?
I don't know.
There is a real scientific cult busy with this topic...
I saw this documentary about it and found it reasonably interesting..
www.callinget.com/ -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 29, 2009 - 11:56 AMOh we've made contact alright, tons of it. The issue is more about bridging realities... in ways that are 'real' enough to both ways of being to
allow each to believe in the other
allow each to communicate and grow.
right now the obsession with doubt, named skepticism, named proof, disables our ability to imagine in the ways we need to create solid or rather, strong, links with other ways of being.
I commjnicate with many, vibrations - often. Its translations that matter. I can't 'prove' it, but I can go way into very remarkable ideas that I sure didn't 'make up' on my own. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Wed, April 29, 2009 - 1:44 PMIf you communicate with "other realities" good and excellent. But why demand it of others? I reckon we all communicate with higher intelligence or aliens or other realities or whatever framework we put it in, in our own way and according to our own development. I do not need others to validate my experiences and they can not do this honestly anyway. That is the nature of what is happening. If .....aliens, god, or whatever your framework, anyway if such decided to make themcellves known to all of us in an external way, that would seem to be well within "their" abilities.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 6:03 AMit takes an enormous amount of energy to sustain the misconception that we 'may' be alone. that energy could be used to make love.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 6:49 AMI don't see where it takes any energy at all????? Perhaps i am misunderstanding. How does it take energy and, for that matter, why is it a misconception if , as we both say, there is no definitive scientific proof. I do not need such proof in the least. I kinda like the state of affairs where we do not KNOW , and, at any rate, it is the situation and i think it wise to accept it. I think the waste of energy is from worrying about it or demanding that others hold our point of view.
This said, of course i more or less assume that there is plenty of life in the galaxy and universe. In fact, i think the whole cosmic enchilada is alive. But do not need others to think as i do. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 10:47 AMwhite noise machines take in the vibration of the sound resonating around them, and emit the exact opposite wavelengths. the result balances, as silence.
that is what we have done with much that is alive in the ... earth, ... moon, solar system.... our individual bodies etc..
I'm sure we can prove it, it'll just take time, and I get exhausted by fear masquerading as skepticism masquerading as a heallthy thing to pay attention to
when really the pseupdo rational thought processes that masquerade as truth discerners ...
leave one hundred thousand people a year dying of misperscribed pharmaceutical c hemicals masquerading as medicine, often administered with as haphazard a manner as is possible, and largely driven by forces that do not have a rooted interest in health.
such systenms block life. when the forms of evidence that can 'prove' many layers of intelligenc e can be boiled down to
'I don't know whether or not this animal can feel, and because I don't 'know' I have the right to treat it like hell, and then kill it so I can feel powerful by eating its body.'
what does this have to do with the question...?
our attention is ALREADY resonating witin a set of paradigms that are staked in frozen shit. it takes effoert to keep repounding them into this muck, and we engage in this effort by continuing to bentrust our lives to systems that are not putting life first.
when we buy food as we do, drive, celebrate friday, and try to quelch forest fires that are a natural response to an environment in need of cleansing...
We are already out of balance, and part of embracing otherworldy, or new ranges of Inter wordly life, is that we open ourselves to that possibiliyty deeply. Many beings, angels, whole species, are reachng out to hue manity with the offer of balance we lack. they love us so much they are not forcing us to accept.
they continue to honor our choices, even when we use them horribly by many measures.
They are offering to connect, they are many kinds of beings who watch us with love. they love us so much that they accept our choice to isolate ourselves and block out the rest of reality, but they suggest that so many ranges of misery are occuring throughout this world...
that it would be=hoove use to drop our attitude of dominance patterns - even when they seem to make deep 'sense' - and re-member why we came, and chose to embody, and to forget the rest so we can focus on here and creatnig something we are only just beginning we set ourselves to participate in consciously....
it is far easier to connect with some hue mans and work with them to open the conversation than it is to forge individual bridges to everyone accross conceptual gaps that have been largely barricaded, and evoke great ranges of fear as they change.
and this effort is hampered by fearing the dominance of the indivuduals who thrust ourselves accross, through around inbetwee the boundaries of whate we've been...
when in actuality, to learn to comprehend and witness the things I see, I had to surrender to love so many times my psyche has been shattered and reformed more times than I can begin to count, and going through this procedss solidifies my committment to loving peaceful, as peacefully as possible, with every breathe I take.
I don't need 'you' to believe me will, but I sure ain't keeping my mouth shut just because it pushes discomfort buttons. I was taught to be who I am by a loving world. I'm breathing her life as I learn and grow and share each day. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 11:33 AMThere is a massive amount of work to do on Earth. Things sure damn are not right here! Much to speak out about! .........but what does this have to do with believing in life on other planets? -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 2:48 PMEpicycles. the 'massive amount of work' we have to do, is full of issues, challenges, confusions that stem from the same kind of broken thinking... that we are in a dominant position on earth as a gift from god, the top of a food chain of power.... the end of the road iof consciousness, the arbiters of life itself.
we think that way therefor we behave that way. Its like witnessing reality as if the world revolves around us, rather than accepting that we are of this earth. The mistaken understanding generates a domino range of mis understanding.
I'm actually most inspired by the lifeforce of the Earth herself, and the tree beings, the spirit of birds, what you could call nature spirits... and more... we have shut down our capacity to perceive them, and it is the same - kind - of awareness we need to use to connect with beings that exist mostly 'elsewhere'.
I often can't tell them apart at first, using my manner of seeing and exploring.
The primary imbalance I perceive is our (the) belief that we are so dominant. Accept the vast range of existence, not as a possibilty, but as our starting point.
Then a wide range of awarebess ripples out, and unravels a whole lot of confusion.
if blocks against believing in 'aliens' 'angels' or any other mythic creatures continue to remain in place, we can't restore sanity to the way we live with the earth.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 3:49 PMI do not think it necessary to believe in external angels or aliens to live a moral and compassionate life in harmony with nature. Not at all. In fact, i'd say such beliefs are something of a diversion. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 3:57 PMwill nails with a hammer
here and now, carrying water, chopping wood ...
what is more spiritual a tiny, new green plant pushing up through the warming Spring earth
or more spiritual the smile of the one you love, than the sound of children playing happily
what is more spiritual and real than right here and right now ... bang! -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 6:36 PMoh for heavens sake, I'm not playing that game, its annoying.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 3:53 PMlike Terence Mckenna said, Reality is weirder than we could possibly imagine
like Jim Morrison said, No eternal rewards will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
oh yeah, i put a mattress at the bottom of the rabbit hole
like a snowflake dissolving over a hot spring
like a breath of air rising into the cold night sky
i dissipate into all only to reform later, later a single rain drop from a cloud,
living only shortly before becoming one again in a vast pool of water
on and on, cloud passing before moon, moon before cloud ...
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 10:30 PMwho is this council of "we"? -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Mon, May 4, 2009 - 4:11 AMI speak in terms of 'we' because there is a collective nature to our thoughts and action. Even in disagreement, we have responsibility for our species. If the mass direction of humanity is going in a particular way, I feel called to take some responsibility for that.
And it sounds so much more appealing than 'they', the ultimate cop out, 'they' those others that cause all the problems.
wil, honestly, I share as openly as I know how. I can't help but realize you argue with just about everything I post. Its very annoying. difference can be sustained, questioned, even explored in depth, without everything getting polarized. Its annoying.
Its about starting with the presumption that we each have something valuable to share, and asking questions in that light.
In this case I'm being quite clear. the collective idea that space is one big blanck chemical slate is a severe hindrance to understanding ourselves, our relationship with the earth, and what we can create together. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Tue, May 5, 2009 - 10:50 AMso I ask 'how is it possible that we believe there is only life on earth?'
I DO think we are getting at it. We chose to focus. In our creator beingness, our attention helps create reality. By focusing on the river, the wind, the growing plants, we create these, and a world in which changes and rhythms of life ... balances... to give us an amazing home.
We are creating this world, and I suppose it has been well worth it to ignore everything else.
why change the balance?
I believe we are ready. that we have created enough of a vortex on earth, that our sous can remain deeply woven with the mountains and our breathe, while reaching out to other ways, deeply different than our own.l perhaps once upon a time we just were not HERE enough to focus on anything else.
yet as magical as the wind, and the running water and climbing vine are... they have tenders, they have spirits that guide and guard them, help create them, from a non material vibration.
We need to real eyes they are here with us, and that 'here' is broader than we have long imagined.
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:47 PMwell then I firmly disagree with you. I find it very difficult to find ANYONE (that is, even firm christians) that truly believes there's only life on Earth. -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Tue, May 19, 2009 - 12:42 PMIsnt' it interesting that our personal experience is that almost everyone believes there is life elsewhere... and yet we behave within a shared paradigm that presumes there is not life 'until we can prove it'... -
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Re: How is it possible that we believe there is only life on Earth?
Tue, May 19, 2009 - 4:05 PMHow do you see evidence of this shared paradigm that presumes there is not life until we can prove it?
I very much think that our dominant paradigm now is that there is life elsewhere even though we have no proof. I think there is a strong general assumption on the part of pretty much everyone that there is life elsewhere, even though we have no proof positive. I think our movies, books, and television shows reflect that assumption. Certainly most scientists assume it is extraordinarily likely to be live elsewhere.
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